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Who are we?
« on: April 12, 2010, 12:02:40 PM »
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Those of you who were part of the formative discussions around this board might recall me referencing academic debates around the notions of digital "immigrants" vs. digital "natives". For context or more information, some of you may be interested to read the attached paper by the person who popularised the distinction (Marc Prensky).



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What should we call these “new” students of today? Some refer to them as the N-[for Net]-gen or D-[for digital]-gen. But the most useful designation I have found for them is Digital Natives. Our students today are all “native speakers” of the digital language of computers, video games and the Internet.


So what does that make the rest of us? Those of us who were not born into the digital world but have, at some later point in our lives, become fascinated by and adopted many or most aspects of the new technology are, and always will be compared to them, Digital Immigrants.


The importance of the distinction is this: As Digital Immigrants learn – like all immigrants, some better than others – to adapt to their environment, they always retain, to some degree, their "accent," that is, their foot in the past. The “digital immigrant accent” can be seen in such things as turning to the Internet for information second rather than first, or in reading the manual for a program rather than assuming that the program itself will teach us to use it. Today‟s older folk were "socialized" differently from their kids, and are now in the process of learning a new language. And a language learned later in life, scientists tell us, goes into a different part of the brain.


Full text available as downloadable pdf to registered members.
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Re: Who are we?
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2010, 12:49:18 PM »
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That's a bloody excellent document Jacques!
I'm keeping it. :D

It really illustrates the concept of a "digital native" as opposed to a "digital immigrant".
I particularly liked the concepts of a "digital singularity" and the "Monkey Wrench" project.

Really excellent stuff.
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Re: Who are we?
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2010, 04:56:15 PM »
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Awesome read Jacques!
The guy touches all the right notes and most people will agree with it.

Guys, please take the time to read the essay (15 minute read) as it really encapsulates
most of the members' feelings for the existence of this board.
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Re: Who are we?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2010, 04:57:58 PM »
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I concur, I only saw this now after a link in your OP in the other section.

Very very good!
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2011, 11:21:31 PM »
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I am so going to read that article :p hehe :) "Digital Natives"...lol :) epic name

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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2011, 12:34:49 PM »
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Hehe thanks, but more than that, thanks for taking the time to read the article.

As an aside, this forum's existence is actually in part due to events on another forum, that sprung up when Gregg Stirton got the boot up his arse from Rudolph Muller. We all met on the other forum, and then a certain individual and his girlfriend threw their weight around and we all left.
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Re: Who are we?
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2011, 04:28:06 PM »
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Fascinating... always love a good origins story.
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Re: Who are we?
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2011, 04:23:24 AM »
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We all met on the other forum, and then a certain individual and his girlfriend threw their weight around and we all left.
If you want to tell stories, tell the full story... and not just your half of it.
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Re: Who are we?
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2012, 01:00:39 PM »
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I only saw this post now... yes because I've been focusing on REAL LIFE instead of forum life.

You know what Prometheus, you go and be happy on BBLounge, this is my forum, I pay for its hosting and its costs. I am allowed to put a limited, or short version of whatever story on here, because I believe its not in everyone's interests to put the whole story on here. This is NOT Noseweek or one of Debbie Love's witch hunts!

You are clearly bitter about what happened there, I wondered why you never came here with the rest of us, it makes sense now. The thing is you will never be happy on any forum, yes I concede that you got fucked over on MyBroadband like most of us did, but, bitterness is bad dude, I've been through it, its soul-destroying.

In actual fact, why not post the whole story here, then I can refresh my own fucking memory, why not do that?
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 05:44:39 PM »
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post it! post it! post it!
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Re: Who are we?
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2012, 09:46:52 PM »
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As a side bit of information:
I seldom post on BBLounge, because the forum has become synonymous with Debbie Love's anti-RF campaign. She has clearly followed a journalistic path at university, and many people who know me personally, understand my disdain for journalists and their profession which I consider to be a societal illness.

Her current "crusade" is against Wi-Fi (2.4GHz band) and how "harmful" that is to the human body. As someone knowledgeable in RF, I have given up trying to argue with her and her boyfriend to convince them otherwise. They are also against the erection of iBurst masts operating in the same frequency band and fight against this (we all know the Craigavon issue well).

Now, we have the e-toll gantries, bombarding much higher power levels into the air, above 5GHz, which is much more penetrating than 2.4GHz and she has nothing to say about that. It proves my argument that journalists are best kept away from technology and proves that they should not be writing/protesting against things they do not understand.
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Re: Who are we?
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2012, 08:00:43 AM »
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I wasn't going to post and drag this out into the open. But then got the notification of this post and what Jason has to say.

Jason, you know pretty well that Debbie hasn't really posted there much in years. Her "crusade" you mention here is one that you happily took part in. There was no arguing from you as someone knowledgeable in RF how it doesn't have any negative effect. In fact you shared the sentiment of most of the forum that it is still unproven either way. Or was this just because of your hatred for Rudolph and Jannie?

iBurst and mybb made in into Noseweek on their own. Are you forgetting that it was because he censored his forum and used his "news" site to further the iburst agenda? Techcentral didn't take too kindly when Jannie tried to use the media to lie for him and refused to publish the one sided stories like real journalists do. BBLounge was the only place where you could find the whole uncensored story to decide the truth for yourself. That's quite an achievement for a small forum. I am proud to have been a part of that and to still be.

If you don't like it then why not just stay away? Instead from time to time you post in exactly the topics that some of you claimed was a problem. Is there some agenda there? Funny that when you lot left all those topics that you were complaining about quickly died down. They were never a big part of it in any case and are now an even smaller part of it.
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Re: Who are we?
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2012, 11:58:50 AM »
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Prometheus, the point is not whether Jason should stay away from anything... You on the other hand should deeply consider your reasons for posting on this forum. We all know the history and reasons behind certain topics on BBLounge. The fact that a core group of us broke away and started afresh had nothing to do with RF radiation etc. It had to do with the people in charge and their attitudes. My posts are still there. You'll be able to see how I actually pleaded for a change in attitude. But it was all to no avail. So yes, we have this great forum where there is basically no conflict or one sided upper echelon decisions made without consultation.
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Re: Who are we?
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2012, 10:01:36 PM »
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Epsilon, if RF radiation has nothing to do with it then why mention it as if it does? That is my only reason for posting here.

What attitude are you talking about? The one of ignoring the trolls? It was assumed that on a small forum everyone else would be mature enough to do the same. Apparently this wasn't the case so the attitude changed to banning them. A select few ;) then disagreed with that so the attitude changed again from temporary bans to unbanning them.

Or was it not having any rules in place? You were all given the opportunity to discuss that but there was no agreement. You couldn't even decide if there should be another mod or not.

Or was it the attitude of ignoring your petty arguments that followed? You were one of the main culprits that kept nagging for the "people in charge" to get involved so don't complain about what resulted when that happened after the arguments turned to unwarranted attacks against the only mod at the time.

I do agree that the trolls should have just been permanently banned from the start like usually happens with trolls. But none of us were mods before so we were not used to doing things that way. I'm not going to fault anybody for that attitude though but you can be sure that from now on if there are ever any more trolls they will not feel very welcome for long.


So which "attitude" is it and who do you consider the "people in charge"?

Jason now thinks it's RF radiation disagreements between him and Debbie that I never saw. Can't remember what your arguments were about and asked me to refresh his memory.

Kage/Spam/Jay/Human blames everyone but himself for getting banned after starting an attack on the mod. Now says there were no trolls and that mybb is a very good place, something Jason will take exception to.

You had every reason to create your own forum if you wanted to do things your way even though you were never able to decide what your way was. Fact remains you were given much more freedom than on any other forum so you should deeply consider YOUR real reasons for doing so and not blame others when it resulted from your own actions.
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Re: Who are we?
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2012, 11:32:59 PM »
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Prometheus, a nonsensical post if I have ever seen one. Why you insist on posting on this forum is beyond me. Consider this a final warning....
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